Sunset in Panama

It was a beautiful evening, so I thought I’d share a few photos.

 

 

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Our Cost of Living in Panama

Many people are looking for information on this subject, especially people who are considering a move to this area. Money was a big factor in our move and  of course it is a concern for many others as well, especially with all the economic problems in the US.

We are in the city of David, Chiriqui Province, Republic of Panama. This is only our experience, our information. Other people do things differently, live in other areas, and make other choices so their costs will be different. Keep in mind that many professional Panamanians in our area (eg; teachers, nurses) make $500-600 a month, and many others live on much less than this. If you live like a Panamanian you can have a good life here on less money than in the US.

This is our house. I’m guessing it’s about 1000 square feet, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, living room, dining room, kitchen, the carport you see here, a laundry room behind it, and a good size patio behind that.

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Looking up our street. Looking up our street.

This is our street, a nice quiet middle/upper class neighborhood with mostly professionals – teachers, lawyers, business people, tradesmen, etc. It is on the nicer side of town, 5 minutes from the Pan American Highway and an excellent shopping area. This neighborhood is considered desirable and very expensive by many of the locals.

Our rent is $385/month which includes water and trash pickup. The house was rented unfurnished (which means no appliances).
Electricity last month was $49.45 for 421 kWh which I think is about what we can expect monthly. We do not have air conditioning.
Cable – TV and mid range internet (about 5MB, not the fastest, but not the slowest, and it has worked out just fine) $53.52 / month
Gas for the kitchen – we buy it by the tank. It’s about $65 to buy a tank (you will probably want to have two) and $5.12 to refill it. A tank lasts us about a month. We cook almost everything from scratch and don’t eat out, and have an on demand water heater so we use a fair amount of gas.

Food – last month we spent $339.31 for two adults. This month we have spent $319 and there is a week to go in the month. But, this includes $30 of fish and about $30 of chicken, much of which is still in the freezer, and maybe $50 in bulk items from PriceMart.  So far this month (about 3 weeks) we have spent $68.35 at the produce markets. This includes ALL our fruits and vegetables, and also some eggs, and corn for tortillas  (I have only used a can opener once in the 4 months I have lived here). We have fresh fruit at every meal, and fresh veggies every day.

Food is a big variable. You can get almost everything you are used to in the US, but you will pay US prices and maybe more. You can get produce in the supermarket but you will pay a lot more, and it won’t be the wonderful quality of the markets. If you eat out, prices also vary widely. A Panamanian lunch at the corner hang out is maybe $3 – $4.50. If you go to a restaurant, it could be $6, or $10, or $20+ depending on where you go. Fast food is available but you will pay US prices and more. If you eat like a Panamanian you can keep your costs down a lot, and eat better and healthier food.

Cars – used cars are surprisingly expensive here. Major brands of new cars are readily available.  We paid $5300 for a Hyundai Atos from another expat who was returning to the US. When I first got here I paid $4000 for a 97 Mazda 323. My friend’s mechanic sold me his wife’s car because he said he couldn’t find any other decent cars in my price range ($3-5K). Other people here have told me similar stories about expensive used cars. But, the insurance on the Mazda is about $95/year, and on the Atos (full coverage) about $550 for the year.  Since I’ve been here, gas has ranged from $3.85 – $4.10 a gallon for 91 (which is the lower octane rating here).

If you want to save money, use public transportation. There is an excellent bus system that goes everywhere. A ride is maybe $.25 – $1.00 depending on where you go. Even an all day ride to Panama City is $18. Taxi’s are everywhere and inexpensive, maybe $1 – $3 in town. They charge more for more passengers, or extra packages and baggage, as well as for distance. Bicycles and walking are other very common forms of getting around. we have found biking easier here because drivers are used to sharing the roads with bikes and pedestrians, so they are very considerate.

Alcohol – Local beer is $.48/can (and really good!), less by the case at Pricemart – $.40/can. Rum (2 liters – decent local brand) $10.89 at Pricemart, maybe a couple dollars more in the supermarket. Seco (2 liters – local rum type product) $8.69 at Pricemart, again a bit more at the supermarket. You can get decent box wine, $2/box/liter, and good bottled wine for less than $5/bottle. There is a decent wine selection in the supermarket, and a very nice wine store in the nearby shopping center with a good selection and personal service to help you choose.

Entertainment – we spent $7 for two at the movie theater, evening showing. Another day it was only $5 for both of us. We didn’t buy snacks though, so not sure what they cost.
We found a tennis group, $25 each to join, $5 monthly dues. Tennis balls however are $8/can.  If I understand correctly, golf is also available at the same location for $30/month.
We bought bicycles, $265 each for good bikes, 21 gears, shocks in the front. (I don’t know how this compares to the US).

Health Care – a visit to the doctor will cost $20 – $40 basic charge. A visit is as much time as you need.  A visit to the dentist is maybe $30 for a cleaning or filling, more for other procedures. I am getting a crown for $250. I have found health care here much more affordable and the quality excellent. I was a nurse in the US, and I am very happy and thankful to be here. There are various options for health insurance but this is not a subject I’m qualified to talk about. We have decided to pay as we go.

>Also, keep in mind that that jubilado or pensionado discounts lower costs of many things even further, for those who qualify. More info HERE

Moving expenses – this is a one time expense, but people are understandably curious so I will give you my $.02 worth. This expense can also vary greatly. If you want to save money, move as little as possible. Come down here with whatever you can bring in suitcases. It’s cheaper to buy what you need here than move it. Do not bring a car. From what I understand it’s complicated and expensive, and older cars cost more than newer cars to import. If you want to move stuff that involves shipping, expect to pay thousands. If you want to move the entire household of stuff, you can rent a container so with enough money it is possible.

Getting settled – another one time expense. For us, I saw this unfurnished house that I really wanted, so I had to do some major shopping for appliances, beds, dishes, everything! But, this is not as difficult as it sounds. There is a large variety of options. You can get a little $100 stove, or a $900 stove with all the bells and whistles. I think decent mid range appliances are comparable to what they cost in the US, and you will see many familiar brands. I lived in Florida before, land of wealthy people where you can furnish your house with great second hand stuff. Here in Panama though, there is little used furniture and it’s expensive. New furniture is available all over town but it costs probably as much as new furniture in the US, though that is hard for me to say since I never bought new furniture. Or, it’s also possible to rent a furnished place. Some have everything down to the spoons and towels.

Whew! I think I have covered all the basics. Thanks for hanging in there to the end. If you see incorrect information, have suggestions, questions, or anything else please leave me a comment!

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Weekly Photo Challenge: Kiss

Weekly Photo Challenge: Kiss

I didn’t know what I was going to do for this one until we were eating breakfast outdoors, watching the hummingbirds, and this pair gave us the perfect photo op. Usually the hummingbirds are busy chattering at each other and chasing each other away from the feeder. It was unusual to see a pair like this. They spent quite a bit of time on the fence together, and then they flew around the feeder together in a show of happiness. Finally they settled down to get a bit to eat. Thank you hummingbirds  for giving me just what I needed for this week’s photo challenge, and than you Joel for taking the great photos of the pair on the fence.

 

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Looking out the Window

Our office area looks out to the side yard, so we’ve been putting the fruit scraps out there. Today we moved things around so I’m sitting next to the window. What fun! This is what I saw just today. The papaya peels seem to be the most popular with everyone.

 

 

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My interview is posted

My interview on the Expats Blog website is posted HERE

badge-featured-expat-150  I get a cool new graphic too 🙂

They have also invited me to write articles for their local expert section. I’ve only been here a few months and don’t feel like an expert. But, I’m thinking about it.

If you want to explore the site, the main page is HERE.  I think there are more and more people interested in expat living, or considering a move, or who have actually moved, so there is more need for sites like this one. It’s helps people get more information and connect with others who are doing the same thing, and hopefully make good decisions about such a major life change.

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Canasta Basica food store

We are putting together information for other expats who may come to the area. My two biggest challenges when I first arrived were finding things, and understanding Spanish.  We thought it might be useful to identify various businesses that have someone who speaks English, and also share directions on how to get to these businesses.

Today we went to Canasta Basica, a small local food store. It is supported by the government so it is able to keep prices lower. They have a selection of chicken, pork, beef, some produce, canned goods, condiments, rice, vegetable oil, dried beans, milk, juice, and other items. We bought chicken breasts and legs (drumsticks + thighs) for $1.30/pound, and 30 eggs for $2.50.

This is Oliver (in the red shirt) who speaks English. (The other guy is my husband, partner, and fellow blogger) Oliver always has a big friendly smile, and is usually found behind the meat counter. It’s a real pleasure to see him whenever we shop there. The whole staff is very good, of course, but since Oliver enjoys practicing his English with us he is the one we talk with the most.

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The store is located south of the Pan American Highway, just down the road from Super Barú. Go south on the road that goes down the east side of Super Barú, and you’ll see it on your left in a couple blocks. THIS is a map of how to get to the store. KFC is an easy landmark on the Pan American so we started from there.

This is the front of the store, so this is what you are looking for.

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We will continue adding information about various business, and we also hope to add some video clips of business people so our readers can meet these good people. If any of you have any requests or suggestions for something we could include, please let us know. Write to info@thePanamaAdventure.com  or leave a note in the comments section below.

I have also had a request for a larger font so posts are easier to read, so I’m giving this one a try. Feedback is always welcome on anything you see, or would like to see on our blog!

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Iguanas in the Yard, and other interesting things

Tossing kitchen scraps in the yard can be interesting. We have been tossing them outside of the office window so we can peek at the visitors. The iguanas are usually very shy. We have spotted them but they always take off if they spot us. Today I managed to get some video through the window before he saw me. Apparently they really like papaya peels!

There have actually been two iguanas in the yard today. The bigger one is more skittish.

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The smaller one is darker, and seems a little less likely to run off though he also remains very aware of his surroundings. Here he is with a papaya peel in his mouth.

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This is an owl butterfly enjoying some watermelon peels. Photo by Joel.

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I am very excited about this photo! These cocaleca, or wood rails are so shy and hard to photograph. This is the first decent photo I’ve taken since I’ve been here.

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These are the birds that make the amazing sounds. The first night I heard them I took a video and I still love listening to them. 

And,  a couple other things…

I spotted this interesting tree in town. It had green balls the size of small bowling balls! Does anyone know what it is?

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The other night had a really beautiful sunset.

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This concludes the odds and ends I have on my desk at the moment, but I’m sure there will be more!

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English, or Spanish? Expat Gringos in Panama

Disclaimer – anything I say here or anywhere else on my blog is only my opinion based on my short time of living here, and my personal experiences. I don’t claim to be an authority on anything!

I was in Canasta Basica the other day, a small food store with good prices on basic items. Oliver, an employee, recognized us and saw a chance to practice his English, so we were buying our chicken in English. The woman in front of us turned to him with a glare “por qué no Español?!” I quickly explained (in Spanish) that he wanted to practice his English and she let it go.

Many people in the US complain about foreigners who don’t learn English. People complain that Miami is becoming a Hispanic city where more Spanish than English is spoken. Is it any different when we go to someone else’s country? Of course it’s difficult to learn a foreign language, but effort counts. I see how people open up when I ask them how to say something in Spanish, when I take an interest in learning more, and express appreciation for their help.

I also notice the attitude towards gringos (folks from the north who speak English). Many of us live in expensive houses, band together, make our own communities, sometimes with walls and gates and security. Many of us never learn Spanish. It would be like hundreds of (insert any foreign country’s citizens) came to your neighborhood and built compounds, and wouldn’t learn English. If these newcomers are rich and happily pay inflated prices for everything, which drives up costs until you are priced out of your own neighborhood, you’re not going to feel too kindly about these newcomers.

When we first meet Panamanians, they usually assume we live in a gringo area. When we tell them no, we live here in the city, in an all Panamanian neighborhood, the smile becomes genuine and the attitude relaxes. They realize that we want to become part of their culture, their community, and their way of life. When we try to learn their language, take an interest in their food, their interests, and their culture, it is very appreciated and they welcome you with open arms.

Why do some expats keep to themselves, and others do not? Why are some expats very happy, and others are so unhappy they eventually leave? I think there are a number of factors at work.

Hype – there are for profit organizations that make money off of expats, who will tell you: Come live in paradise for a fraction of the cost! Invest in property and get rich! You can afford your dream life in this other country! Spend big bucks on our seminar so we can sell you property and make money off you, and then leave you living in a foreign land totally unprepared for the experience. Is it any wonder this doesn’t go well?

Lack of homework – similar to the above. You believe the hype. Instead, you need to visit and check things out for yourself,  talk with other expats in your destination country, learn the language, study about the customs and way of life, and rent before making any decisions to buy. Then, you are less likely to be surprised by the reality, and less likely to get yourself stuck in something that doesn’t work for you.

Lack of knowing yourself – as Joel (my husband) always says – “You can’t get what you want until you know what you want”! Do you have to have American TV, or certain food, or medicine, or something else? Is it impossible to deal with barking dogs, or slow mail service, or whatever else isn’t going to work for you? You must choose a place that has what you require, and enough of what you want, or you are going to be frustrated and unhappy a lot.

Flexibility – sometimes I think we can be a bit arrogant. Our ways are the best, and we know more than everyone about everything. The Panamanians have managed to live with their ways for a long time. Maybe it’s different, maybe worse, maybe better, but what right do we have to expect them to adopt our ways? And, if we are open to learning about them, we’ll find the things which enrich and improve our lives.

Hanging out with other gringos – There are wonderful gringo expats! But, don’t limit yourself, or get sucked in to the negativity that abounds in the expat community. We have run into many unhappy, complaining expats (I don’t know why they stay!)  It’s nice to have expat friends but if you don’t make friends with the locals, you are missing out on so much!

Trying to do business – from what I have heard, having a business can be very difficult. There may be different laws, regulations, expectations, customs, and language. A lot of people get very frustrated or have bad experiences, so really do your homework before attempting this.

Last – be a good ambassador. Panamanians get their ideas of the US from television and the expats they meet. We can’t control TV and the media, except to explain that it’s mostly fantasy. But, we can control the image we present.  If someone came to your community from (insert any foreign country) what would make you welcome them, or avoid them?

These people are no different from you and I. They want to be valued, listened to, appreciated. In my opinion, if you come here and don’t integrate into the community, you are really missing out! Your life will be so much richer, so much more interesting, and so much more fun if you get to know the people here.

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Summer Fun at the River

It’s been summer vacation time, and also the week of Carnival, so a lot of people have had time to relax and enjoy themselves. Part of summer fun is going to the river. We were down there a couple days ago and found a lot of people having a good time!. Apparently, with the young men, jumping from trees into the water is a favorite past time. (Many of these photos were taken by Joel)

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What Did We Give Up? What Did We Gain?

Joel and I were talking about our experience so far in Panama, and decided it might be interesting if we both wrote posts separately with our thoughts. (250 words or less)  You hear about expat adjustments, frustrations, difficulties, unhappiness, etc. How has it been for us?

What did we give up?
Mail – no home delivery.  General delivery is painfully slow if it gets to you at all. But before, it almost all went in the trash anyway.
Netflix and US TV. I don’t miss TV. We bought some DVD’s. So far I don’t feel deprived.
Hurricanes, frost in winter, alligators, bad drivers
Language – few people speak English here
Reliable water supply – usually it’s part of a day, and with water on had it’s easy to adapt.

What did we gain?
People. It so different here with these warm, loving, friendly people.
Food. Fresh fruit and vegetables at every meal. Fish, chicken, home cooked food. Delicious, and my body and health appreciate it.
Better shopping. Everything is available here, service is usually excellent.
Cost of living – vast improvement
Relaxed life – people here adapt, don’t sweat the small stuff
Time – no economic pressure to work, more time to do what we want, not what we have to

Not everyone who moves is happy. Why? It depends on what you need. If you don’t have what you need, or have things you can’t tolerate, life will be difficult. But, for us, it seems we have chosen well. It’s working for us.

Whew! 249 words 😉

PS Joel’s blog is HERE

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